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#656727 - 08/29/11 06:23 PM Price of Moissanite after the patent expires
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Do you guys think the price of moissanite will fall after the patent expires? What other changes will happen do you think?


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#656755 - 08/29/11 07:38 PM Re: Price of Moissanite after the patent expires [Re: Yeeta]
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Yeeta, I discussed in a previous post that this is exaxctly what I foresee happening.

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#656813 - 08/30/11 12:52 AM Re: Price of Moissanite after the patent expires [Re: Yeeta]
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Most likely, IMO smile

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#656855 - 08/30/11 06:22 AM Re: Price of Moissanite after the patent expires [Re: Yeeta]
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For regular Moissanite, yes. But BTD has/will soon have a patent pending H&A cut Moissanite so I imagine that that will still be priced higher than the regular stuff, just as Asha CZs are priced higher than regular CZs.


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#656932 - 08/30/11 09:18 AM Re: Price of Moissanite after the patent expires [Re: Yeeta]
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when does the patent expire?


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#657075 - 08/30/11 01:47 PM Re: Price of Moissanite after the patent expires [Re: Yeeta]
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Originally Posted By: Yeeta
Do you guys think the price of moissanite will fall after the patent expires? What other changes will happen do you think?


I doubt it. While the 'intuitive' assumption would be yes, it also reminds of all the people who predicted how lab grown diamonds would soon be all over Ebay for $10 after Gemesis started growing in 2002/3.

With diamonds, people failed to account for how hard it is to grow, how most labs growing don't make much net profit, etc. And in fact the avg per carat price of lab diamonds has gone *up* over the years as some producers simply dropped out to do other things besides gems. The grower for pink lab diamonds for example, quit the business entirely about 2 years ago - great demand, but way too hard to make and actually get a net profit.

In either scenario, people fail to account for how difficult and expensive the crystal itself is to grow.

The patent expires in 2015 and that will certainly open to a few new players, but not that many. Why - because SiC (moissanite) is hard to grow and there are not many people that have the equipment and skill to do it.

And most that do, are focused on the electronics market which requires different growth parameters than growing for gem use. And the gem market is a drop in the bucket compared to electronics (if they can get it pure enough), so most growers don't want to deal with setting up for gems vs. electronics.

You should also look at C&C's financials to see that even with their patent, they are losing money for the past few quarters - and they are living off of inventory purchased years ago.

Thus, you can see that the rough is quite expensive as even with their patent and selling previously purchased inventory, they are not making much if any net profit lately.

Anyway, for those reasons I would not hold your breath that the price will drop any great degree when the patent expires...there are a lot more fundamental challenges to growing moissanite that prevents it from being a 'cheap' material, patent or not.

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#657113 - 08/30/11 03:21 PM Re: Price of Moissanite after the patent expires [Re: lessw]
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thanks for that answer. it's all so fascinating...


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#657119 - 08/30/11 04:14 PM Re: Price of Moissanite after the patent expires [Re: lessw]
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Originally Posted By: lessw
[quote=Yeeta]
You should also look at C&C's financials to see that even with their patent, they are losing money for the past few quarters - and they are living off of inventory purchased years ago.


This is very interesting, probably the reason why C&C were selling at ShopNBC and HSN...
It's obvious that those home shopping networks make ALOT of money, they sell a lot of units. Have you seen how many celebs are making money selling their brand name at this home shopping networks? C&C knew they had to get rid of their old inventory, and fast. Going through the network was the answer in moving those inventory out.

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I watch those ticklers show how many units are selling in the 10's of thousands in a matter of 3 mins. Even if half the consumer return the product unsatisfied, the other half will keep theirs because they're happy of maybe like me, they are lazy to return an item. That's still a mass of paying consumers buying/keeping the product in a 24 hr period.

Less, for selfish reasons, I hope you never go the home shopping network route.



Edited by LuvMyRing (08/30/11 04:18 PM)

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#657193 - 08/30/11 07:48 PM Re: Price of Moissanite after the patent expires [Re: Yeeta]
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That's really interesting! Thank you for your insight, Less. I didn't think the prices would necessarily nose dive, but it did worry me a bit because my boyfriend is strongly considering moissanite or asha for an engagement ring in the next year. I would feel really bad to see him spend a couple grand on moissanite, just to see the prices (as I hypothesized) take a dive in the coming years. I think we're going to go the Asha route, then in a few years get a H&A Mira upgrade laugh


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