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#752801 - 06/20/12 06:38 PM Re: Can't return my tinted Amora... not sure what to do now... [Re: Hadley]
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Originally Posted By: Hadley

EUREKA MissCassie!!!! This explains so much!

Do you suppose they do the same with rounds and cushions? Is this why Moissanite Co gets sudden large stocks of loose rounds/cushions during time spans when BTD remains sold out?


I have absolutely no idea for that, but I would be surprised if that were the case. I'd say they get a sudden large shipment of stones while BTD remains sold out because they are more focused on keeping their retailers well stocked and filling their orders because that is probably the bulk of their business, and only re-stock their own website once their other obligations have been met. This is just my thinking though, I truly have no idea what really goes on. smile
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#752805 - 06/20/12 06:43 PM Re: Can't return my tinted Amora... not sure what to do now... [Re: EGrey]
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Originally Posted By: EGrey
Oh gosh I feel sick reading this! I know it is a very small minority, but this makes -- what? -- at least three different people who ended up with funky Amoras. Makes me super nervous.


I'm actually one of the people who had a big issue with the color of my stone.... it never photographed white, just LOTS of colors outside, and SUPER yellow indoors, in every room of my house. I just pray that this time around things will turn out well.

I'm not sure what the issue is, because I just decided to keep the 1.5 ct RB Amora stone that I just got sent in to look at and it's not at all as white as most of the rings I see, especially Hadley's beautiful ring! I actually didn't see any green in the OP's ring though (maybe I'm not as color sensitive as I thought) to me it looked steely, but you're right, definitely not white white.

I'm sorry you're not able to return your stone, that really sucks, but I would totally sell it online, because like I said, it doesn't look green to me, and I think it's beautiful, maybe others will agree smile

I'd really love to see someone with a newer purchase post some pictures for reassurance, I do believe that they are screening the stones ahead of time, but I will have to say when I received my 1.8ct cushion Amora, I thought someone screwed up and sent me an unenhanced moissy, it just didn't look right.

Anyways, I'm sure you'll get it all figured out and I know you will find something that makes you super happy in the end smile
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#752806 - 06/20/12 06:48 PM Re: Can't return my tinted Amora... not sure what to do now... [Re: Shell]
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Originally Posted By: Shell

I contacted Moissanite.co to ask if I can return it and they said no because its been set in a ring. I asked why I paid the extra for an Amora stone if its going to be tinted and they just reiterated that I can't return it.


I am confused. Having a stone set doesn't void our return policy. We have a time frame however in which a customer can return it. When/who did you speak to?

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#752811 - 06/20/12 06:53 PM Re: Can't return my tinted Amora... not sure what to do now... [Re: MissCassie]
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Originally Posted By: MissCassie

Also, while the Amora process enhances the overall color of moissanite, moissanite is still moissanite, and in many cases has a green tint to it, and so an Amora graded at J color has the same *amount* of tint as a J color diamond, but the *color* of that tint is different, especially depending on your moissanite stone. I think for the Amora OEC's, since those are special ordered through MC, then sent to BTD for the Amora treatment, that those particular cuts don't get to go through the screening process like the others do, where BTD orders raw stones, sorts them for the ones they'll keep and treat, and sends back the rejects, which is potentially why we are seeing more of those with less favorable color.


Our company actually orders all of the Moissanite from the Moissy distributors. Because of our volume we have better pricing. All of the stones, the OEC stones included, are sent to NAGL first for prescreening. The stones are screened for color and cut. From there they go to BTD for treatment. They are then sent back to NAGL for inspection, certification and then to us for sale. In a few cases (less than 5%) NAGL will send a few stones back to BTD for retreatment. There are quality control checks that happen throughout the process.

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#752812 - 06/20/12 06:53 PM Re: Can't return my tinted Amora... not sure what to do now... [Re: Shell]
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Yay,

Maybe Mike can get this all sorted out for you. See, things will be alright smile
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#752814 - 06/20/12 07:02 PM Re: Can't return my tinted Amora... not sure what to do now... [Re: babyangelbling]
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Originally Posted By: babyangelbling

From what i have read recently, MC quality control stinks at the moment. What is going on with them?

If you pay the extra for the Amora treatment, the stone should have various inspections before sending out.

MC, i would really try to work around this. People are loosing faith with the quality of rings/stones being sent out...


We process approximately 1000 - 1200 orders a month. This month we have had maybe 2 or 4 come back because customers weren't happy with some aspect of the jewelry. Typically its very minor things. For whatever reason of the items that come back due to quality complaints there tends to be a much higher percentage of BTD posters than others. But the total percentage is less than 1%. We do our best, and sometimes it is a judgement call because not everything can be 100% perfect when it comes to hand made jewelry. We do our best, and we try to always improve the process (and I think we have given our return rate).

But when it comes to complaints about the color of the Amora Moissanite, I don't consider that a quality control issue. We have 3 companies checking the quality of the stones: NAGL, BTD and ours. The Amora Moissanites are significantly whiter than regular Moissanite and are the whitest that are currently available. For most they are easily white enough for people to be satisfied but for a few they are not. Its not due to lack of quality control, but just dissatisfaction with the Moissanite in general.


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#752819 - 06/20/12 07:12 PM Re: Can't return my tinted Amora... not sure what to do now... [Re: Mike_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mike_C

Our company actually orders all of the Moissanite from the Moissy distributors. Because of our volume we have better pricing. All of the stones, the OEC stones included, are sent to NAGL first for prescreening. The stones are screened for color and cut. From there they go to BTD for treatment. They are then sent back to NAGL for inspection, certification and then to us for sale. In a few cases (less than 5%) NAGL will send a few stones back to BTD for retreatment. There are quality control checks that happen throughout the process.


That is excellent to know the OEC's go through the same process as the rest. smile Don't know how the idea got in my head that because they were a special order cut that they wouldn't have as much screening capability. blush
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#752822 - 06/20/12 07:16 PM Re: Can't return my tinted Amora... not sure what to do now... [Re: MissCassie]
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Originally Posted By: MissCassie

That is excellent to know the OEC's go through the same process as the rest. smile Don't know how the idea got in my head that because they were a special order cut that they wouldn't have as much screening capability. blush


They are a special order cut, but once we get them in they are sent to NAGL for screening. It is the reason why its kind of feast and famine when it comes to the Amora OEC stock.

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#752825 - 06/20/12 07:22 PM Re: Can't return my tinted Amora... not sure what to do now. [Re: Mike_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mike_C


Our company actually orders all of the Moissanite from the Moissy distributors. Because of our volume we have better pricing. All of the stones, the OEC stones included, are sent to NAGL first for prescreening. The stones are screened for color and cut. From there they go to BTD for treatment. They are then sent back to NAGL for inspection, certification and then to us for sale. In a few cases (less than 5%) NAGL will send a few stones back to BTD for retreatment. There are quality control checks that happen throughout the process.


Mike, what happens to the rejected stones? Do you send those back, or are they sold through MoissaniteCo to the final consumers?

I actually like the unenhanced moissanites better, but I would hate to receive a stone that tinted towards green.
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#752829 - 06/20/12 07:26 PM Re: Can't return my tinted Amora... not sure what to do now. [Re: borismom]
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Mike, what happens to the rejected stones? Do you send those back, or are they sold through MoissaniteCo to the final consumers?

I actually like the unenhanced moissanites better, but I would hate to receive a stone that tinted towards green.


They get sent back. Most of the cuts, especially with the rounds, is due to the cut, not the color. There seem to be a few size/shapes that were cut from bad rough that had an abnormal amount of green (i.e. 9.5mm rounds, we had to screen about 50 just to get 8 - 10 stones).

Luckily one of our distributors has been very willing to work with, and has been separating the rejects from their regular inventory as they know it doesn't do either of us any favors to re-screen the rejects.

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